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NEW FLA LAW EFFECTIVE JUNE 30TH

Sorry, this is going to ruffle a lot of feathers but......... It should have been a primary offense from the time it was signed into law. It's about time. It took way too long.

I have seen an untold number of crashes where people have died or maimed because they were too damned stupid to wear a seat belt.

I have been in 2 horrendous crashes at high speed were my seat belt saved my life and my ass.

WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT. Their are no GOOD reasons to not wear one.
 
Sorry, this is going to ruffle a lot of feathers but......... It should have been a primary offense from the time it was signed into law. It's about time. It took way too long.

I have seen an untold number of crashes where people have died or maimed because they were too damned stupid to wear a seat belt.

I have been in 2 horrendous crashes at high speed were my seat belt saved my life and my ass.

WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT. Their are no GOOD reasons to not wear one.

:iagree: Totally
 
:thumbsup:I ahve to agree. There's no good reason not to wear them.

I've spent many an hour on scene where a simple piece of materal and metal would have saved a life. I've had to make the notifications becasue the didn't.:thumbsdown:

There are arguements on both sides...

I've been in police crashes both with and without them. I've survived all of them.

It's said that God looks out for Drunks and Fools.

I wasn't drunk in any of them:nonod:

Finally, as most here know, I lost a good friend and co-worker March 1 a year ago in an auto crash. The crash was probably not preventabe.

His death however, may have been with the simple use of a seatbelt.

Please wear them my friends:thumbsup:
 
I never used to wear them ever... Now with the C6, I always wear them because if not, the damn chimes continue to ring... I got so used to wearing them now that I always do. I guess GM solved that problem for me before the senate did.
 
Sorry, this is going to ruffle a lot of feathers but......... It should have been a primary offense from the time it was signed into law. It's about time. It took way too long.

I have seen an untold number of crashes where people have died or maimed because they were too damned stupid to wear a seat belt.

I have been in 2 horrendous crashes at high speed were my seat belt saved my life and my ass.

WEAR YOUR SEAT BELT. Their are no GOOD reasons to not wear one.


Same here.

The seatbelt fine is $91.00 right now (but no points on your record). I doubt it will change, especially to go DOWN to $30.00 (with as greedy as the legislators have gotten lately).
 
Personally, I think its a little ridiculous for the state to ticket you for a seat belt and allow motorcyclists to ride without helmets.
 
I guess I'm going to buck the trend here.

Although a seat belt makes all the good sense in the world and can save you from death or injury, I guess I just bristle at the government TELLING me what I have to do with something I purchased with my own money, and affecting my own body. If I would rather take the risk of having my body thrown through the windshield during an accident, what business is that of theirs? For my own good whether I like it or not? Well that certainly opens up a big ol' can of worms now. Talk about the road to hell paved with good intentions.....

Same with motorcycle helmets. It's their head, so let them do what they please with it.

Sorry, but I've just never been real keen on a "big brother" like government mandate of this nature.

{FLAME ON!}
 
I didn't know that anybody drove around without a seatbelt until the 8th grade. So I've been far too brainwashed to do otherwise. That said, I've always thought it was a good idea to do it. I don't like the idea of Police being able to pull you for it though... it's too arbitrary. They can pull you over to try and search the car or whatever they want. If you are wearing a seatbelt, they can just claim that you put it on while they were pulling you over.

Now hopefully, any lives saved by this will outweigh the negative effect of cops that will abuse it.:shrug01:
 
...I don't like the idea of Police being able to pull you for it though... it's too arbitrary. They can pull you over to try and search the car or whatever they want. If you are wearing a seatbelt, they can just claim that you put it on while they were pulling you over.

Now hopefully, any lives saved by this will outweigh the negative effect of cops that will abuse it.:shrug01:

Although I understand you sentiment, I don't think you'll see any more abuses of it than there may already be. If you're worried about it, install a mini-cam in the car (like some do for the track) and either keep it running or have an instant on switch and switch it on when you see a LEO.:eek:

Make sure it's date/timed.

Now that we have the paranoia protection in place:lmao: don't worry about searches and such. Without PC or a warrant, you're still no more likely to get your car searched than before. Again for the overly paranoid, simply install a big-brother cam and let it run during the stop:D

The easiest way NOT to get your car searched on a traffic stop, is to simply say NO!:NoNo:

Disregard all the BS they'll try to drop on you, guilt trip you and such, and just stand firm. If there's nothing to hide, even if they bring in a dog, they won't find anything.

Now...For those that disagree with the law, lets look at another side of the coin:

...I guess I just bristle at the government TELLING me what I have to do with something I purchased with my own money,

I agree

...and affecting my own body. If I would rather take the risk of having my body thrown through the windshield during an accident, what business is that of theirs? For my own good whether I like it or not?

...Same with motorcycle helmets. It's their head, so let them do what they please with it.

Ok, here's the problem. Other than our friendships, I generally wouldn't give a great damned what happened to most people!

So why the law? Simple: Cha-Chhing!! $$$$$$

Lets look at some:

The costs involved if you go through the windshield:

1) On scene investigation fatal/Serious bodily injury-Law Enforcement manpower costs.
2) Medical cost (on Scene)
3) Medi-Vac (if required) or general medical transport.
4) ER visit
5) Hospital stay and the associated costs therein.
6) Doctors bill
7) Physical Thereapy
8) Assisted living facility or home nursing care.
9) Coroner costs (if the above were not required)
10) Burial expense/Cremation.
11) Loss of income to your family
12) Increased insurance premiums across the board to make up for the losses.

If you have great insurance, most of the above won't impact you so much other than your deductibles and increased insurance costs. Of course, if your insurance is substandard, sooner rather than later, you or your loved ones will be out of pocket for costs:eek:

Unlike years past, hospitals can and do come after you for the overdue medical bills.

Costs to others:

You loose control (because you aren't buckled in and can't CYA and hang on to the steering wheel at the same time!) and hit/injure or kill someone else:eek:

Aside from potential criminal issues, that's going to get very expensive to a lot of people, real quickly!

If you have no insurance or your insurance really sucks....You may end up on the indigent care list so the government gets to foot you bills. Ok for you, sucks for the rest of us!

And of course, along with the potential for job/income loss, with HUGE medical bills comes the potential for bankruptcy and loss of your home, property, and "things."

See, when you file bankruptcy, a lot of other bills, not associated with this mess, will likely get swept up in the filing. This way, everyone gets to share in your loss!!:rolleyes:

The economy is bad enough as is. Lets not do things to help it get worse!!

And finally, on the economic front, look at the articles on the matter. It was started in ine the other day that the feds were threatening to pull aorud 30 billion or had another 30+ billion for the state, if the laws were enacted. Even Charlie couldn't turn that much money down!

As for the motorcyclist, being one I see both sides. That said, the measly 10k they're required to have to ride helmet less is a joke and whoever thought that crap up, needs to be drug down the road by their cojones!!:rolleyes:

It's difficult enough to survive a bike crash (BTDT too) without having one of the least protected and most critical parts of your body, take the "hit" if you will.

See, it's not all about "ME", it's more about the impact of my decisions on everyone else!

Aside from $$$ lets look at another issue.

Ever been in an out of control car? I have. Both belted and unbelted!!

Unbelted I took out part of a widshield and bent the steering wheel of a 1969 Camaro in an almost head on crash on I-4 with a DUI driver! I probably should not be here now.

Also slid out from under the steering whee and into the passenger side (bench seat) of a 71 Super Bee on a turn. Had to pull myself back under the wheel just to see where I was going (there's more to it this but I'll save it for comic relief night:D).

And I've bounced around the inside of a couple of patrol cars as well. Funny the crap you hit while airborne!
And yes, I've crashed a police motorcycle at speed. The helmet looked like crap afterward, but it did it's job!:thumbsup:

On the flip side (no pun intended), I've crashed at high speed and been held in place.

I've taught police tactical (pursuit) driving and hung those thight corners at reduiculous speeds....and been in TOTAL CONTROL of the vehicle because of the seatbelt.

And when dealing with a bad situation, rapid manuever, hi-speed pursuits, and such, it's nice not to have to hang on to the damend wheel while splitting your attention between driving, other drivers, ther perp and your but staying behind the wheel where it belongs!!!

So for the high performance enthusiast out here, it only makes sense to wear them based upon what and where we drive:thumbsup:

Sorry, but I've just never been real keen on a "big brother" like government mandate of this nature.

Me either, but as Ron White says: "You can't fix stupid!"

He's right...so now we're trying to legislate it:nonod:
 
Disregard all the BS they'll try to drop on you, guilt trip you and such, and just stand firm. If there's nothing to hide, even if they bring in a dog, they won't find anything.

Well if I tell them no are they going to make me wait while they call Bubba from across the county to bring the dog?
 
Well if I tell them no are they going to make me wait while they call Bubba from across the county to bring the dog?

Dave the answer is no. I handled a K-9 for years and he was a street dog and a certified dope dog. The general rule of thumb in the 10th Judicial Circuit is. Better get the dog there and conduct the search in the normal time it would take an officer to write a citation or you have illegally detained the driver. Illegal detention, meaning you are not free to go (after the citation) is effectively an arrest. If their is no probable cause for a search and you say NO. They better not detain you!

All officers in modern departments live pretty much by the same standard.

Check with Shadow and TR06 and see what they say. All of us worked for different agencies but I think you'll find the standard is pretty much the same besides you can pretty much tell the dirt bags from the good folks after a while.

Also keep in mind attitude toward the officer has a great deal to do with the treatment you receive in return.
 
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I gave an officer in Alabama consent to search my car because I was afraid of having to wait for a dog to arrive. He was a complete ass during the whole thing and I was nothing but respectful and nice to the guy. His 'search' was pretty half assed and pathetic so I figured he was just wanting to see if I 'had something to hide'.
 
I gave an officer in Alabama consent to search my car because I was afraid of having to wait for a dog to arrive. He was a complete ass during the whole thing and I was nothing but respectful and nice to the guy. His 'search' was pretty half assed and pathetic so I figured he was just wanting to see if I 'had something to hide'.

Oops, my bad. God only knows how or why Alabama LEO's function and I have no idea what statutes or accepted protocol they follow.
 
Just keep the personal use weed at home (your business not mine to worry about), don't run a crap load of drugs across the state, and leave the bazooka in the arms locker and you will be ok. You have nothing to worry about if you have a CCW permit and are only headed to the range to plink off a few rounds (no matter what Obama and Pelosi are trying to do in legislation). Most (not all but most) LEO are gun fans too. Otherwise no one should have any reason to worry if a search is requested. You have the right to say no if you choose, but attitude goes a long way. I have been stopped before and never been asked to have my car searched. It's a case by case thing based on factors that he officer sees. He/she is not going to ask the "average joe" or little old lady to search the car. That is overkill and is a waste of time. They work on clues they see at the time of stop to give them a possible belief that it won't be a waste of time, and may result in a good caper.

I don't do drugs, I don't have any guns with me I'm not permitted to carry, and I have no worrys about any LEO searching my car at any time of the day or night if they ask. Follow these simple guidelines and no one else will have any problems either. It's not that big of a deal. The officers are not the bad guys, the people running guns/drugs are, and that is who it is the goal to stop.
 
I've never been asked before or after for a search when I've been stopped. Every other law enforcement officer I've ever encountered has been courteous and friendly. Earlier that evening as I drove around Dothan, I saw a group of LEO's that pulled over several sporty cars (mustangs, camaros, etc). Later on that evening, I was pulled over by a group of LEO's.

I am as clean cut as they come and my cousin (who is a corrections officer) was in the car with me in uniform. I've never drank, smoked (anything), or done any sort of drugs. What exactly do you think his 'tip off' was? Apparently it was the bright blue corvette with the white stripe and out of state tag. Is it hard to believe he was just an asshole? It had nothing to do with him having any 'tip off', only his being an ass.

Please don't take this as me thinking all cops are assholes. This one I encountered in Dothan was simply that. Other than this guy, any time I've been stopped the officer was cool and easy to get along with.
 
KAP is absolutely correct:thumbsup::thumbsup:. Actually, IIRC, the "standard" is nationwide.

You can detain a driver for a very limited period of time then it becomes a custodial detention.

You also have to be free to leave.

So, if Bubba (and yes, there are still a few around:thumbsdown:) asks to search your car, the answer (IMO) is a very polite no, followed by, is that all officer? Am I free to go?

If he say's no, you have something to work with in civil court. If he says yes, it's thank you and have a safe day sir:wavey:

And as everyone has noted, attitude and circumstances go a long way as to when or if an officer asks to search your car. We used to look for signals and signs. You never really know and you (the officer) can always ask no matter what.

That said, I don't let anyone search anything without probable cause or a warrant.

Just a personal pet peave of mine.
 
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